THE DENAERDE INTERVIEW
Following is two parts of an interview with Steven Denaerde on the
Translation of Denaerde interview part 1
These creatures are about 1.40 meters long, so smaller than we are. The
most striking is their short legs. They have a curious, dribbling way
of walking and they can use their long arms to maintain balance.
Very short passes. Like the walk of a midget. You can compare it with
that. Their faces are totally different. First they have a heavy
armored skull, with a bone ridge on top, they have a spilt through
their forehead, which gives
the impression of the skull being divided into 2 parts. They have long,
sharp ears, understandable when you realize that in a higher pressure
you need higher frequencies. Lower frequencies cannot be used because
of their limited range. Their eyes are different. They lack an iris.
Their eyeball is white-yellow and contains a diamond shaped pupil. The
eyes are deeper inside the skull for better
protection by pronounced eyebrows.
They have very little hair. It can be compared with the
hair of a fur.
It looks as if these hairs do not beat trimming or shaving.
Different colors. Grey, brown, dark brown, silvergrey
and white, too.
They have (artificial) dentures. Not made after their original teeth,
but just seamless white strips, that work as scissors. This is more
efficient, because of lack of splits where food rests can stick.
Efficiency means a lot to them. Efficiency is part of their philosophy
Translation of Denaerde interview part 2
Clothes on Jarga have a different function and meaning than for us. For
us it symbolizes status, importance, being seen. On Jarga this is all
different, but most essential is that it has no covering
function. Temperature differences are less than here so clothes do not
have an isolating function as for us.
Do they know shame? Not to my feeling. As described in the book, there
was a beach scene, which in fact came down to the description of a
nudist camp. They did wear beach clothes, but not with a covering
function. I called it 'anti-clothes'. It was a wild pattern of textile
figures, that did not have a covering function, but more an esthetic
Yes, I believe so. You can say that the word 'love' had a totally
different meaning than for us. Love between one man and one woman is
Temporary maybe, but variation is needed. There must be a possibility
for growth by means of many different human contacts, and they consider
the bonding of two people 'for ever and ever' undesirable, also
considering their social structure and living in the cylinder cities.
Totally different than we do. First this is caused by a different
culture and family structure. There is no comparison between Jarga and
Earth at this point.
They lived in huge living units. From the outside these looked like big
glass cylinders, with a diameter of more than 300 meters and a height
of more than 100 meters, with a big dome roof, enclosing a garden,
which was separated from the outside air - a consequence of the climate
conditions. In one such a unit there live about 10,000 people. No,
there was a commune like structure. They live together in groups of 20
to 25 persons. No family, it was a group of 6 to 7 couples, with a
number of children. But it was quite divers: it could be a group of
elderly people without children, it could also be a group of younger
couples with more children. Freedom is one of the first features that
you notice there. The homes are so efficient end equipped with advanced
technical devices (possible because the units are so big) that
housekeeping is obsolete. Hard to understand. No dish washing, they do
not cook. They use prepared meals, which comes from freezer like
devices which they put into an oven and then they sit together at the
They do not view us as a bunch of amateurs. They acknowledge that
humans are at an earlier evolutionary phase than they are. They do
consider us immature and as a race that attempts to get mature. It is
not so that they mock with us. But they do warn us seriously, the book
contains a serious warning. For example the destruction of humanity by
an nuclear conflict would not only mean a material destruction of human
life, but also (a destruction) of immortal human existence. That is
hard to understand. You could say that our soul is bound to the living
generation of people. If the living generation of people vanishes, if
the human evolution has been halted, if creativity stops, at that
moment all previous creativity (our soul is an exponent of creativity)
has been stopped. The bible calls it 'being cast into eternal doom'
The units with 10s of thousands of people? They are extended floating,
because of the heavy earth quakes that are there, and probably can turn
around their axis several times - the exact number is not known.
Firstly to give every occupant the same view - again non
discriminating. Secondly to allow the sunlight into the central garden,
there is an opening in the living wall surrounding it. And thirdly to
create a habitat that is earthquake free. Millions, because every
circle that is drawn here is a living ring (enclosing the common
garden) that houses 10,000 people. The distance that is drawn here is 6
times 3.5 kilometers. A width of 3.5 kilometers and a length of 6
kilometers, estimated. These living rings lie in a recreational area,
and the enclosing land is just enough farmland to feed all the
surrounding inhabitants. A similar way of living applied to the
Netherlands could house 20 to 22 times the number of people that live
here now. 22 times 12 million, that is incredible.
Plants, flora, does that differ much from ours? Not so much. I would
say that the differences are less than you would have expected by using
fantasy. Together with Rudolf Das I have shown it in the illustrations.
You van say that the plants are built to resist higher wind forces,
that is the main difference. There are no high trees, the trunks are
developed wider, and they have curious ring shaped trees that stand in
a circle, as can be seen in the illustrations. Everything has been
built for heavier wind forces, heavier conditions, like the Jargans are
built heavier, much more muscular than us. The environment reflects
How do they travel? Totally different than we do. We move on wheels or
on wings, but the Jargans move by means of pole shoes in hollow
magnetic rails. They have an amazing transportation system, a system
that does not suffer from wear. There is a system of rails and they
have vehicles that do resemble our trains a bit. But their cars have 2
functions. They have a piece of road from the living cylinder to the
main traffic vain, and they use small wheels for that. As soon as they
arrive at the rail systems they climb up and then hang on pole shoes at
the roof (of the car). When they turn into rail vehicles, they become
free of wear. Electricity to generate the magnetic fields, but they
control magnetism different from us. They can induce magnetism without
wires and coils etcetera. Jarga does not know air planes.
Considering these vehicles, he could have invented those being a
director in an automotive company. But the rest: the social, religious,
sexual, cosmographical, geographical things? No, that is too much for
one human. That is what gave me the creeps when I looked deeper into
it. The rail-system, the universal transport system on that planet is
striking. I've gone trough the trouble to calculate it - BTW I
calculated everything he mentions. This rail system, taking into
account breaking, stopping and detaching can transport 1,364,000
persons per hour. In other words, in 10 hours time one such a transport
line could evacuate all Dutch people. That is crazy, it is an
efficiency that defies our thoughts. And then you realize that we are
amateurs in a technical sense.
That is another creep, we are only at the start of a technical
revolution that we might see in the future. But we have seen the